Pulling The Plug #1: Sounding Off

This post is the first in my series on how help “unplug” Churchians, as well as Christians who are simply misguided. I am going to try and keep these posts narrowly focused, in order to save myself some time as well as get the most out of ideas developed therein.

For today’s post I start with the beginning-

How do you start to “unplug” someone? How do you convince them to “put on the glasses?”

I think the best foundation is to determine where they stand. Get them to sound off on what truths they already recognize, and what lies they hold dear. Of course, it shouldn’t be an interrogation, or a real demand that they list every single thing they believe which is connected to the ideas discussed in the ‘sphere. Rather, try and figure it out over several conversations. Ask about related subjects, or RP subjects, and carefully get a feel for what someone believes.

The reason I suggest this is because you need to know where someone is already good, where they are really bad, and where they need improvement, but perhaps are already moving in the right direction. Once you know where they stand, you can begin in earnest.

I recommend beginning your “active unplugging” by reaffirming with them the truth that they already accept. Focus on it at first. Emphasize how you both agree on this matter. Get them to involve themselves in discussions on it, so that they feel invested in the topic. Once invested, it will be harder for them to reject the implications those truths point towards.

Also, getting someone to agree with themselves is usually not terribly difficult (shocking, right?). But in all seriousness, this makes it a good and easy way to start. You can start to get a feel for both your own knowledge, as well as what techniques work best to convince someone. Once you have built a rapport with someone, then you can move to the next step with a greater likelihood of success.

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9 responses to “Pulling The Plug #1: Sounding Off

  1. Pingback: Pulling The Plug #1: Sounding Off – Manosphere.org

  2. I generally don’t think it’s a good idea to persuade someone to put on the glasses unless that someone already has some inkling that something’s wrong. Some idea that what they think they know isn’t quite correct, doesn’t line up with everything they’re seeing.

    I suppose one way to do this is to ask men, perhaps at church, perhaps somewhere else, what they believe, and then ask them “is that really how it is though? I’ve seen X, and that doesn’t line up with Y, which is what we’ve always been told.”

    Modern Christians aren’t very good about questioning what they believe and what they see in their personal relationships. They believe what they believe, and it’s because it’s always been that way, and if you are asking these things then you’re like the serpent in the Garden saying “Did God REALLY say…..?”

    The men have to be fertile ground before any of this is going to germinate and grow.

  3. @Deti

    I agree that some are too committed to lies to be convinced. At least, as they are. This is another reason to try and suss out where someone stands. If they “Blue Pill” to the core, making headway is all but impossible.

  4. Off to a good start, D.

    This post has so many directions to go, I applaud your endeavoring to do it.

    So, on the issue of assessment on where they stand–It is important to understand, (and I don’t think this is necessarily contrary to Detis point above) that everyone senses there is something wrong. (Except maybe hardcore, gender fluid, angry SJWs etc).

    Who doesnt say stuff like “I wish we could go back to the days when men were men, and women were women?” That is a part of every reminiscent song on the radio.

    Church or not, this is ubiquitous among “Americans.” But as I have pointed out elsewhere, this is merely a scratching of the surface level understanding. In the realm of sex roles for example, when people say stuff like this, at first it is tempting to think “yeah! Someone who gets it.”

    But when you dig deeper, what they want is the boy standing on the porch with flowers behind his back and none of the underlying values that go with that imagery.

    If you were to press most people who say things like that, they will not assent to (or do not know about) the fact that the girl (and probably the boy on the porch) are virgins. The girls parents (and especially father) knows the boys parents. They have already met several times before, and if not, they are about to have a long talk. The girls parent have shown her and taught her what marriage looks like–including the things that are expected of wives. And on and on…

    Almost NO moderns want all of that–but they at some level recognize in the boy on the porch with the flowers something they cannot have unless they simply want the aesthetic. In which case, they should just reminisce by watching old movies and have Normal Rockwell paintings all over their houses.

    Even at that low level of awareness–it is a start.

    But to your point–the assessment piece is paramount. How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go from there is a difficult path to navigate. I have been doing it somewhat successfully for a few years, but it is frustrating.

  5. Whoops. The word “doesnt” is supposed to be Italicized above. And the phrase “none of the underlying values that go with that imagery.”

    The rest is incorrectly italicized.

    [DG: Fixed]

  6. @ Scott

    Very astute analysis. The superficial nature of most people is why an assessment is necessary. Most are not “primed” to receive the truth. They are too locked in to whatever worldview they hold. However, even that can be broken down, over time. It just takes much longer. The key is to find where the cracks already exist (where they sense something is wrong), and work your way from there. More on that in future posts.

  7. Lost Patrol

    I find this a very interesting start to your project. On a personal level I wonder how I would have responded to being ‘cold called’ on some of these things back when I was full blown participant (unwitting) in feminization of church and state.

    As Scott and Deti both refer to, I eventually became aware that ‘something’ was amiss, but could not dial it in. I was actually helped to begin to see by the very organs and institutions that so relentlessly push the feminist agenda via mass media and government social engineering (what Dalrock calls keeping the pumps going). They eventually backed me into a corner, the place from which even the most complacent man will usually fight.

    I started scouting on my own to see if I was alone in this perception that manhood was under perpetual attack. This is when I found blogs about the very thing, and learned that many men were already on top of this and had given it extensive analysis.

    The learning came fast at this point, not due to personal acuity, but because I had lived and/or seen everything being reported. I was my own object lesson as each new point was brought to light.

    So I like where you are going. How to figure out what other men, that one knows personally, are starting to feel backed into that corner?

  8. Hi Donal, great post.
    Because there is such a massive blind-spot amongst christians in regard to feminisation of the church there are multiple openings to begin such a conversation, for me the trick is to not look too crazy.
    When dealing with christians always stick to the scripture, and when confronted with the usual feminist objections just have your stuff [scripture] prepared in advance. Some [particularly clerics] have other reasons not to see the obvious truth, avoid these. But most regular guys will take on board red pill truths once the errors of the blue pill mind set have been exposed.

  9. Pingback: Pulling The Plug #2: Slow And Steady | Donal Graeme

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