Something Else

Today’s post is a Masculine Monday post. Male commenters only, please. Also, somewhat stream of consciousness as well.

Rollo has a new post up titled “The Something Else.”

If you want to sum up Rollo’s post, it would be in this simple phrase:

If it wasn’t X-Box it would be something else.

The reality of male/female relations these days is driving more and more men to seek out “something else” to occupy their life.

For some it is escapism- merely an attempt to drone out the overwhelming meaninglessness they feel marks their lives.Whether it is porn or video games or something else, they want to blur out reality. There is no drive for something more, something greater. Merely something to distract.

For others it is a genuine desire to find something of meaning and value. To obtain a purpose for life. Some Red Pill sites call this “your mission.” As a Catholic, I recognize that the word they are searching for is vocation. These men are looking for a calling that they can hold fast to and make their own.

Unfortunately, for many the vocation that most will be called to, marriage, seems mostly out of grasp. And for most probably will be (if they are smart, anyways). The problem, from the Church’s perspective, is that there is nothing in place to really help men who find themselves so frustrated. They will instinctively search of that “something” to replace their vocation, but how much is really there for them? Just among Catholics many will not be called to be priests, or monks (in the traditional sense).

It seems to me that the Church needs to adapt to the change in the Marriage Marketplace. There needs to be something for all the young men who will not be able to marry in the years ahead. And probably something as well for the men who find themselves divorced. I’m talking more than some support group. Rather, something more akin to a community, a brotherhood. Something that provides support and doesn’t leave all these men discrete individuals adrift in the modern world.

I suppose some sort of urban monastery might be in order. Not a place for contemplatives, but a communal home where everyone is a “roomie” and can uplift and support his fellow men. I invite my readers to offer their thoughts on the matter. All the same, I am sure that something is needed to help devout men find that something. Many men are drifting away from the faith, and given the cold shoulder the Church is basically giving them these days, it is hard to blame them. Furthermore, creating a place for men without a home might help secular men who are also adrift in the same ocean.

Men are looking for something else, and the Church needs to help them find it.

 

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14 responses to “Something Else

  1. MK

    I invite my readers to offer their thoughts on the matter. All the same, I am sure that something is needed to help devout men find that something. Many men are drifting away from the faith, and given the cold shoulder the Church is basically giving them these days, it is hard to blame them.

    Some thoughts:

    1) The elder generations in the US have screwed the younger ones. I’m not blaming, just observing. Especially in the Church. Especially economically. Especially men. Especially by not acknowledging the social and economic changes men today face. Not quite sure how this plays out, but it won’t be ignored by any possible solution that works.

    2) I anticipate lay orders will come, much like a lay order of Benedictines, who support themselves and live in community. And I think it will be sudden, sort of like Sanders and Trump, coming out of nowhere.

  2. theshadowedknight

    Put that many men all together with no women and no hope of women, and you are going to end up with an army in short order. That is probably the reason it has not already been done. No one wants the trouble it will bring.

    The Shadowed Knight

  3. Couple of things:

    1) This is a decent suggestion, but I think it’s too late now for a lot of men. For the older ones, not because they’re too old, but because older men have stopped listening to the Church. She has failed them repeatedly. Not just talking about Roman Catholics here. I’m talking about Christians of all stripes; the Body of Christ. The Body is broken and ailing, and older men are unwilling to care for her.

    2) Zippy Catholic addressed this a while back, saying that “The Church is not your daddy”. The Church’s only job is to administer the Sacraments to the faithful and provide for education and training up in the faith. That’s it. It’s not to help socialize men, provide vocations for them, or help them find wives. So I think you’ll have to convince the Zippys of the world that the church should take up the banner of providing outlets to channel what is essentially untapped and unreleased sexual energy. You have to convince folks like Zippy that helping guys do things other than get laid is something the church should and must do.

    https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/the-church-is-not-your-daddy/

    3) I think you are confusing and mixing up two separate concepts. I always thought the concept of “vocation” as the Church talked about it was a man’s “calling” — his trade, his profession, his business, his occupation, his life’s work. The way he provides for himself and his family. This is the source of Roissy’s “make your mission your priority”, “mission” being the same thing – what were you put here to do (and it was not “have sex with as many women as you can” or even “get married”). But you’re saying that most men’s “vocation” is marriage. I don’t think so. A man might be a married man, being married is what he is supposed to do in order to have legitimate sex and to procreate and proliferate, but that’s not his “mission” or his “vocation”.

  4. “Especially men. Especially by not acknowledging the social and economic changes men today face.”

    But devout Catholics like Zippy tell us that it’s not the church’s job even to “acknowledge” any problems with regard to men, except to the extent that that man is not sufficiently Catholic. It’s not the Church’s job to acknowledge or alleviate anything with regard to men’s social or economic conditions.

    Mind you — this isn’t a position I necessarily hold. I point it out as an obstacle which must be surmounted in order to do what this post suggests.

  5. I wish I could edit posts.

    “You have to convince folks like Zippy that helping guys do things other than get laid is something the church should and must do.”

    A better way to say this would be

    You have to convince folks like Zippy that helping guys find other ways to deal with their sexual energy because they can’t get laid or get married is something the church should and must do.

  6. Leiff

    I think the Shadowed Knight has a point that most people are going to be unwilling to acknowledge. An army might be the result, but armed gang is also a possibility.

  7. feeriker

    You have to convince folks like Zippy that helping guys find other ways to deal with their sexual energy because they can’t get laid or get married is something the church should and must do.

    This is a blind spot that the Body of Christ on Earth is never going to even acknowledge, let alone address. To do so would lead it to some very unpleasant places and demand some serious introspection, which in turn would lead to an obvious call to re-evaluate doctrine and practice in a variety of areas. Not gonna happen, or if it finally ever does when all rlse fails, it will be too little too late.

  8. While I’m not a Catholic (my Mom is) I don’t think it’s any secret that the church and religion in general is for women. Whether that evangelical, judaism, hell, even the Mormons, religion either exploits men’s sexuality (as in Islam), or it repurposes it to serve the FI and feminine-correct church culture. The ‘church’ hasn’t just failed men, it is active hostile towards men, men who are looking for something else.

    https://dissention.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/one-of-the-best-youtube-explanations-of-the-hikikomori-phenomenon/

  9. Lost Patrol

    Rather, something more akin to a community, a brotherhood. Something that provides support and doesn’t leave all these men discrete individuals adrift in the modern world.

    As soon as a community or brotherhood could be got up and running, it is easy to imagine perpetual challenge from FI fueled harpies that, as a minimum, would demand “equal” communities and sisterhoods – with ultimate goal of wrecking said brotherhood. We’ve all seen it, and can read about it at Dalrock – subheading Feminist Territory Marking.

    Not saying the concept isn’t worth trying, but reality suggests it will need a combative mindset right off, making the army/gang ideas related upthread a real possibility.

  10. Lost Patrol

    The ‘church’ hasn’t just failed men, it is active hostile towards men, men who are looking for something else.

    They’re looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who is called The Christ. They’re just having no luck finding Him anywhere around most churches, for the reasons you’ve stated.

  11. TWS

    Men need a Christ centered community. Any reality based community will recognize that there are fundamental differences between men and women and one that fills that needed gap for men whether young or old will thrive.

    Communities don’t become successful and thrive because they are popular or faddish, they sustain themselves through over generations by being based in truth and faith. What form that takes I do not know but I think your nom de plume might give one ideas.

  12. I can only respond to a view comments now. I will try and respond to the others later when I have the time.

    @ MK

    Yes to both 1 and 2. I was in particular thinking of #2 when writing this.

    @ TSK

    You get either grass-eaters or an army-in-waiting as the logical result of that scenario. When woman are somewhat available then you might get the PUA crowd, but the less available they are the less men who will or can take that route. Of course, an “army” is an organized thing. Gangs are a more likely outcome… barring effective leadership guiding towards cohesion, of course.

    @ deti

    Catholics use vocation as a word in a way that doesn’t mean job, in an earthly sense. Rather, it applies to what your principal expression of your faith will be- your state in life. That can mean getting married, or the religious life (monk), or becoming a priest, or a consecrated virgin. Should have made that clear. Meant it from a “meta” perspective of how you serve God.

    @ feeriker

    That blind spot is something I need to post about.

    @ Rollo

    If you mean church and religion ‘today’, then I agree. It wasn’t always the case. In the past both men and women were helped by Church teaching, and the church “environment.”

    @ Lost Patrol

    Yes, it would face a hostile environment pretty quickly. Once word spread enough, these communities would be targeted.

  13. MK

    I think my take is different than most here. In no order:

    1) I agree with Zippy on the Church not being our daddy.
    2) Christ demands obedience. The cross. Few here interested.
    3) The West will perish. Ideas have consequences.
    4) The West is not Christian. It’s dying. Fast. Unrepentant.
    5) Christianity is masculine. Male doctrine, male leaders only.
    6) Bishops of apostolic linage = Christian. All else = dust in the wind.
    7) Never confuse apostasy/heresy with the death of Christianity.
    8) Things aren’t bad enough to wake up yet. But it’s coming.
    9) These are good times. Save. Marry. Have kids. While easy.

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