Beta Farming

In my post Of Fighting And The West, blogger Rollo Tomassi left a comment which included the following gem:

The modern church is a Beta farm and only exists to produce the same masculinity-confused men that the secular world has perfected today.

I want to touch on that issue of “Beta Farming” today.

To start with, I agree with Rollo’s first contention- that the “modern” church is a “Beta farm.” What is taught and enforced in most churches these days is a theology which wrings the masculinity out of men. Most of the time this leaves the young men growing up in church as hapless, servile “Beta” males who exist to do whatever women want.

However, I disagree with the second part. I don’t think that most churches exist to produce these kinds of men. They have other purposes, and not necessarily good ones at that. For example, they often preach a theology which provides moral cover to women and places moral blame on men. All the same, some might have good intentions. Some of those within might genuinely intend to serve the Lord. All the same, the modern church’s purpose has been hijacked. While these churches don’t exist to create “beta males”, that is their functional end purpose at this point (or one of them, anyways).

This all leads to the interesting question of how this all came to be. Reader Lost Patrol left this speculation:

I wouldn’t say the modern church “only exists” to produce hapless men – I see it more as an unintended consequence of having ceded so much ground to secular feminism.

My view is somewhat different- I would argue that this has come about because we have ceded so much ground to women.  As I explained:

The more power women were given, the more natural this outcome was. Once you understand female nature, it is easy to see how this outcome was inevitable once women were given the power and control they were in our present system.

Lost Patrol responded by reaffirming that women were given this power. They could never have taken it from men. The why of men gave women that power I will discuss in another post. But before I close this one I want to cover why this ceding of power to women lead to our present troubles.

My theory is that the present “Beta farms” inside modern churches is a natural result of women influencing matters to reassure their native insecurity. This insecurity is something that I believe most men have no idea about, and even those who have some inkling of its existence usually fail to grasp its extent. I have covered this before, but to briefly sum it up:

Women are far and away more insecure in their lives than men.

Much of this insecurity comes from the gap in physical prowess between men and women. We men are much more capable of defending ourselves and imposing our will on our environment than women are- at least at the individual level. But whatever its source, it has a profound effect on female behavior. Women are constantly, and often at an unconscious or subconscious level, trying to alter their environment to make it feel more secure.

I believe that this behavior is responsible for the “Beta farms” in modern churches. As women were given more power inside the church and its environs, they began to exert their influence. This influence was used to shape how men were raised, and what they were supposed to be as Christians. The goal, whether realized or not, was to create the hapless Beta nice guys who populate most churches these days.

Why? Simple- “Betas” are far less threatening to women. They are safer and do things on women’s behalf. So women reinforce this system to create more and more of these “safe” men. As long as they have any degree of power in a church, they will keep it this way. [Of course, this has the effect of leaving those men as unattractive, but female nature is known for wanting two opposites at once.] If we want to shut down the “Beta farms,” we need to reassert masculine control over the church. Otherwise this wicked cultivation will continue, and likely only get worse.

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42 responses to “Beta Farming

  1. Women are far and away more insecure in their lives than men.

    I think it’s one reason that it derived from other factors.

    The primary example is the garden of Eden. Womens’ sin nature is one of of discontent and envy; they have wanted to be like God and/or like men since the beginning. Power grabbing is part of this, and it is that part that relates to insecurity.

    The nature of the hypergamous beast is that it’s never satisfied, which you see played out in both secular culture and churchianity. In particular, women think that power grabbing and leadership positions will ‘fulfill’ them because they give into envy and discontent. We see that giving into sin only leads to a gratuitous attempt for more when they find out it doesn’t satisfy.

    The way that ‘betas’ play into this is that they act as validation and placation when poor decisions are made (grrrl power). Feminism is essentially an insecurity complex in women. Churchianity perpetuates this ever-growing insecurity complex within women, and white knights are enablers of this dysfunction.

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  4. The problem I had with his comment was the implied idea that the Red Pill is a solution. The Red Pill only exists as a utilitarian accommodation to feminism’s success. It’s not a philosophy or religion, doesn’t answer existential questions, doesn’t really do anything other than make some useful observations about the modern world, so it’s dumb to attempt to critique Christianity with it, even dumber to try to subordinate Christianity inside a Red Pill frame. It’s kind of repulsive when you think about what it actually is: it’s like Robert the Bruce’s father in Braveheart.

  5. fuzziewuzziebear

    Donal, you hit one outof the park with this. Now that a problem has been identified, a solution may present itself. Beta farming to the current extent can only last one genration.

  6. feeriker

    If we want to shut down the “Beta farms,” we need to reassert masculine control over the church. Otherwise this wicked cultivation will continue, and likely only get worse.

    It would be fascinating to see the reaction from women to such a move by men to reassert control over the church. There are only two possibilities: 1) instant and immediate submission to male leadership in response to forceful reassertion of authority by the collective men of the church, or 2) a doubling down of rebellion that will be tantamount to a declaration of war.

    Alas, it’s just an academic exercise in speculation at this point. For reaction number 1 to happen, a strong, resolute, assertive male leadership is needed that will boldly and unashamedly assert Scriptural precepts in all aspects of church life and mission. From exactly where is such assertive masculine leadership going to come in today’s neutered, beta-ized churches? Barring a mass awakening to Christian RP awareness on a revivalist scale, the masculinity factor in the church is simply not there in order to make this happen.

    It would take something on the order of a faith-wide catastrophe for the necessary awakening and changes to take place (perhaps open and officially-sanctioned persecution of the church under a Hitlary Clinton presidency?) that would lead to a Renaisssance of Masculinity in the church. I’m not by any means saying that this can’t or won’t happen, but I just don’t see even a hint of it being on the immediate horizon right now.

  7. “I just don’t see even a hint of it being on the immediate horizon right now.”

    This and the “beta farming” reference are giving me second thoughts about how I should bring up my kids in future. How early I should teach them the basics of discerning between the beta conditioning in church and true masculinity (and femininity)? I realise that it has to start with me, having to discern and filter out all of those “beta conditioning” messages that are woven in sermon messages from the pulpit, discussions at bible studies and fellowship groups. To me, this is already a daunting task and I have not started on the stuff they are exposed to in schools. It will require near constant vigilance and reliance solely on the Word of God for the unadulterated truth.

  8. Lost Patrol

    @chokingonredpills,

    Everything you’ve written here tells me you are the right man for this mission. This is what you’ve been training for your whole life.

    Maybe you came late to awareness, like me, but thanks to trail blazers like Donal, Dalrock, Rollo, etc.; along with their quality commenters, you know what’s going on. How did you find all this? Why do you know it now? Rhetorical questions.

    You’ve identified where your personal victory will come from: Grace of God, Word of God, constant vigilance. All good things come from heaven.
    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight”. – Proverbs

    You already know there will be discomfort. It’s a war. Comfort’s got nothing to do with it.

  9. @ choking

    This and the “beta farming” reference are giving me second thoughts about how I should bring up my kids in future. How early I should teach them the basics of discerning between the beta conditioning in church and true masculinity (and femininity)?

    The answer is right in front of you: how you interact with your wife and how she interacts with you will give your children examples.

    This is another reason why it’s important to vet a wife who is Christian, respectful, and submissive.

  10. NIce Guys and Bad Girls Christian Girls
    http://www.deanabbott.com/nice-guys-bad-girls-and-godsome-thought-on-a-post-by-mark-braivo/

    In spite of what you might hear in the media about how terrible and retrograde evangelicals are, the entire movement, even the “conservative” end is thoroughly feminized.

    The central Christian teaching that ALL people are sinners gets glossed over. Instead, the notion that men are somehow worse by nature than women is everywhere, sometimes stated overtly, often in the subtext.

    At the same time, women are elevated to a position of moral and spiritual superiority. Women’s sin is often excused in light of a man’s failings. I remember hearing a very well known evangelical leader tell a story about how his wife freaked out and started smashing all their dishes. What was his point? That she did this because he had been neglecting her. See, she is not an adult beholden to practice self-control, but rather an innocent, sweet victim driven to outlandish behavior by his shortcomings.

    Indeed, contemporary Christianity is a Beta farm that exists only to produce masculinity-confused men. Your religion has been assimilated by the Feminine Imperative for over 5 decades now and has been repurposed and articles of faith rewritten to farm men who are either confused about “what masculinity ought to mean to a Christian man” or men who’s identities have been aligned to be subservient (in the name of “supportiveness”) to the Feminine Imperative.

    With every successive generation of Beta pastors that are produced by this farm you get more and more men whose only experience of that religion as being once of servile deference to a faith that’s been fundamentally altered to the utility of women and feminine-primacy. Women love to complain that it’s largely men who do the preaching and decision making in church, but what they ignore is that these men are just implements of the F.I. What they conveniently avoid is women’s workaround of “women’s teaching ministries” which have all become small cults of personality.

    I will wager that in the next 10 years Christianity will be unrecognizable from its prior tenets of well defined conventional masculinity and the faith itself will be centered on deference to the feminine.

  11. The Red Pill lens in today’s churches is a scary prospect.

  12. Paniym


    This is the best way to say it.

  13. Paniym

    Hhhhmmmmm……Graphic didn’t come in. Anyway it’s a graphic of the church being a beta factory.

  14. Paniym

    Ahhhh……There it is…..

  15. Lost Patrol

    Rollo – you’re trolling the Christians! I feel like I should fight you on it. Alas, I’m under equipped and almost out of ammo. And too much of what you say is obviously true. What was my point? Oh yeah.

    You have to have fun with this stuff. You have to. It’s too grim and demotivating otherwise.

    First a disclaimer. I read all the Rollo Tomassi essays I can find. Freaking gold mine that explains the WHY of everything I’ve ever seen about women that I knew wasn’t right, but could get no further. I owe you.

    “Your religion”. OK. Got it. I do claim Christ crucified, and resurrected in order to bring us to God. Being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. I’ve been too far and seen too much to do otherwise.

    He established His church, and men have tried hard to wreck it. I’m talking about the men that claim to be part of it. I won’t concede that what is left exists for the sole purpose of cranking out beta males. If that were true it would mean the ruler of this world is defeating God by skillful use of the FI. Good works still happen in His name, and churches are doing some of them. I have to concede that producing masculinity-confused men, and giving women dangerous levels of influence is the norm however. Dalrock, Donal and others have done much to educate me about this. I’ve taken these ideas into the church on a sort of reconnaissance by fire. Eventually I took it to the top so to speak. It did not go well, and the whole exercise supports your version of the future.

    But even if your prophecy is true, there are men here with children who don’t have the option to bag it and wait for the end. You know what I mean because of your daughter. If a man knows what’s going on, he has to try and save his own kids at a minimum. If you can “unplug” some additional chumps like me along the way, so much the better. Everyone wants feeriker’s revolution where men take it all back. It would save the church and the whole damn society into the bargain. We also know it’s not happening soon if ever.

    So you keep working where you can and don’t surrender without a fight. It’s a resistance movement. The underground. They are out there. You yourself have helped to make some of them. Things look bad, but like the old cowboy said: you either have to get on with livin’ or get on with dyin’.

  16. “The Red Pill lens in today’s churches is a scary prospect.”

    Now you’re dialing it back to be safe. The Red Pill at its heart isn’t different than Poolside in what it recommends.

  17. Good points. The black American church can be even worse in this regards with the “strong sistah” narrative on display. Female pastors, leaders, etc. If black men hope to improve upon their lot in America, they too will have to evaluate the dynamic within their churches.

  18. Genesis 1-3 is the “red pill”

    Men and women are created different
    Men and women have different roles
    Men and women sin
    Men and women struggle with sin differently
    We all need God

  19. Michael Kozaki

    MS, The black American church can be even worse with the “strong sistah” narrative. Female pastors, leaders, etc.

    Could you develop this theme on your blog? I’m curious…I’m assuming you’re black or a fellow traveler?

    Rollo, Your religion has been assimilated by the Feminine Imperative for over 5 decades now

    I think my religion has actually seen an FI backlash since VII. Every female still remains under male authority, with this doctrine reaffirmed, plus no abortion or birth control, and I’m hearing it more from the pulpit each year. Peak FI was probably 1960.

  20. I say ‘your’ religion because it’s not the one I have faith in. It may have been at one time, but as I mentioned on this blog before, the problem is that church culture ultimately informs and restructures doctrine and articles of faith.

    Now you’ll say, “well, that’s just the church culture, not the actual faith”, but when that culture is informed by the Feminine Imperative, open Christian feminists, and a feminine influence posing as doctrinally sound egalitarianism, this fundamentally recreates an old order religion in the image of a new order female-primary imperative. The culture eventually informs the faith, this is why we have so many sub-sects in many religions, not just Christianity.

    No faith is immune to the influence of the FI. Even Islam is being influenced by feminine-primary social orders. Fempowerment crosses all religions and all cultures now.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/world/pope-women-deacons/index.html

  21. @Patrick, you’re not reading me. Men with a well defined Red Pill lens, having the sensitivity to understand the subcommunications of what’s going on around them in church, should be rightly horrified.

    This is one reason Men like Dalrock are vilified by Christian women who understand he’s wise to what’s transpiring in the church – the Feminine Imperative has taken the Lord’s name in vain by presuming to promote its agenda and socially engineer generations of men to support it by claiming it’s God’s will.

    Go read anything InsanityBytes writes, read the Fempowerment narratives of any ‘Christian women’s ministry speaker’, they will defend the sisterhood above any tenets of faith. They’ll tolerate blasphemy of the faith, but never the Feminine Imperative. They’ll rationalize abortion as a man’s sin, but never accept accountability for it and any man to attempt to rebuke them (for anything really) is counter-shamed for male chauvinist judgementalism.

    In the feminine-primary church the Holy Spirit is the Feminine Imperative, what she says is an article of faith. Men who become aware of this via the Red Pill are a danger to it.

  22. Lost Patrol

    Logical as always, and strongly supported by everything we see and hear. I can’t retreat yet though – I just got here.

    Come back over. We need guys that can fight.

  23. Dalrock isn’t Red Pill. You’re still trying to subordinate Christianity into a Red Pill frame. Like I said, Red Pill isn’t a philosophy or religion. It’s a utilitarian accommodation to feminism. It only exists because of feminism among other modern “isms” wrought havoc on the family. It has no solutions. It’s Poolside with some extra posturing and framing.

  24. “Go read anything InsanityBytes writes…”

    Sigh. 30 years married, a Christian woman with grandchildren, but WTH would I know about anything, right?

    Donal, Deep, you’re going to have to make a choice. Either you serve our Lord and Savior or you serve the Red Pill. Chose the Lord, please?

    Don’t allow this stuff to continue, it’s unhealthy and it’s blasphemous. We’re talking about God here, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot be taken over by women, that’s ridiculous, and just so disrespectful to God Himself.

    I cry often not because of what you guys say about women, but because of what you say about God Himself. It’s just heart breaking to bear witness to.

  25. 1. The funny thing about concern trolling is that is that there’s no facts behind any of the points made.

    2. Not only is there no facts — my comments are never quoted directly because they can’t refute what I say — but there is a failure to even attempting to remotely understand the actual point(s) being made.

    3. And yet such people have the gall to say that they care or sympathize with Christian men, while attempting to take a position of moral high ground.

    4. The main thing about Dalrock is that none of the trolly lolly so-called Christian female commentariat actually attempts to refute the points made in his posts. Those points are quite obvious to anyone with eyes and ears sitting in the pews. All of the ‘critique’ is aimed at the ‘commenters’ acting ‘un-Christian’ — in reality, half of the commenters aren’t Christian in the first place. Why would you expect them to act like Christians? In any case, logically speaking, the commenters have nothing to do with the actual point(s) being made in the first place.

    No posts or criticism from them for all of those pastors wives throwing ‘godly tantrums’ or the overt feminist invasion of CBMW or female preachers or obvious lack of accountability in the Church regarding female sin… hmmm?

    Some of the male commenters have shared their experiences with wives who have divorced them or wives who are constantly withhold sex, not submissive or respectful, and so on. Not one single post, comment, or ounce of empathy from the ‘Christian women criticizers.’

    Then they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

    5. Also, they don’t adhere to sound doctrine.

  26. feeriker

    “I cry often not because of what you guys say about women, but because of what you say about God Himself. It’s just heart breaking to bear witness to.”

    When one reminds oneself that the word “God” (in this case the phrase “God Himself”) is churchio-feminese for the FI, the only “god” that IB22 and her ilk truly worship, believe in, and obey, then yes, there can be no doubt that she indeed cries very bitter tears of grief and rage on a regular basis. Without doubt she considers it the ultimate in blasphemy, worthy of the death penalty were she to have her way.

  27. feeriker

    Sorry, that last should read “blasFEMy.”

  28. Deep, Donal, Dalrock and the others, if you have no joy and you have no peace, they you haven’t got the Lord. Look at Tomassi, he actually believes the Holy Spirit has been hijacked by the feminine imperative. That’s just blasphemy and brokenness speaking, not Christ. All you who call yourselves Christian men are called to stand up in faith, not to wallow in endless bitterness and despair. It’s just tragic to watch you, but you simply haven’t got the ears to hear. So, be well and good wishes.

  29. The Red Pill and Feminism are linked in a love-hate relationship filled with intense feelings. Red Pill loves the sexual revolution and “sexually-liberated,” challenging women, provided they can be mastered. Feminists love Red Pill men provided they can maintain frame, which is why anti-red-pill feminists are always talking about how ALPHA their men are.

  30. Novaseeker

    Look at Tomassi, he actually believes the Holy Spirit has been hijacked by the feminine imperative.

    Totally wrong, as usual.

    Rollo is not saying that the HS himself is the FI. He is saying that in many churches the motivating spirit, the “de facto” HS which guides the way people think about things and are motivated is the feminine imperative. It’s obviously not a statement about God, but a statement about what the churches are doing, and what their motivating spirit, de facto, actually is, which they then erroneously assert is the HS’s voice.

    When the Episcopalians have permitted sexually active gays to be ordained and elevated to the episcopate, ordained women to the priesthood, and married gays, they attributed all of these decisions to discerning the voice of the HS. As any non-compromised Christian can see, obviously this is not the HS, but the feminine imperative, as manifested in contemporary feminism, which is motivating this — but they see it as the witness of the HS. It’s this kind of thing which is what Rollo is talking about and while the Episcopalians are an extreme and obvious case, Dalrock simply points out that the same thing is taking place throughout “conservative” Christianity as well, just in a more veiled manner.

    If you weren’t so obtuse, you’d see this, because it’s been clearly stated numerous times in numerous blogs you obviously read, because you write in your own blog critiquing them nearly constantly. I can only attribute this to strong, latent feminism inside you, which has not departed. It comes across in almost everything you write, yet you don’t see it. Yes, the manosphere triggers that feminism which lurks inside you, and when it comes to the Christian manosphere, it strikes a chord. I get that. But instead of criticizing the trigger, you should discern the feminism that lurks inside you and work harder to banish it — it’s obviously still quite strong in you, to be very honest.

  31. Lost Patrol

    Thank you Novaseeker.

    Always able to say it better. Even I knew Rollo was crafting something worthy of more thought, rather than assaulting the Holy Spirit. A fool’s errand he would be unlikely to pursue.

    This lady is a concerned grandmother, emoting about the disaster in which we find ourselves. This is natural and expected. It is also why women don’t belong up front in this war.

  32. @ Nova

    When the Episcopalians have permitted sexually active gays to be ordained and elevated to the episcopate, ordained women to the priesthood, and married gays, they attributed all of these decisions to discerning the voice of the HS. As any non-compromised Christian can see, obviously this is not the HS, but the feminine imperative, as manifested in contemporary feminism, which is motivating this — but they see it as the witness of the HS. It’s this kind of thing which is what Rollo is talking about and while the Episcopalians are an extreme and obvious case, Dalrock simply points out that the same thing is taking place throughout “conservative” Christianity as well, just in a more veiled manner.

    Yup. Those churches, which we refer to as churchianity, will be the ones that hear these words:

    Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    “Evildoers” being the key word that explains wickedness — “permitted sexually active gays to be ordained and elevated to the episcopate, ordained women to the priesthood, and married gays, they attributed all of these decisions to discerning the voice of the HS.”

    Of course, we could also attribute similar deeds such as wives being unsubmissive and disrespectful, withholding sex, divorce rape and threatpoint, husbands being blamed for the sin of their wives, ‘godly temper tantrums,’ and the like.

  33. So I decide to take a weekend off from blogging, and somehow IBB shows. I could have sworn I had banned her many moons ago. How odd.

  34. Novaseeker

    I could have sworn I had banned her many moons ago. How odd.

    I think it may have been a new account she posted on — worth checking.

  35. Hrodgar

    You might find this series by Joseph Shaw worth a look. He traces it back to the Romantic reaction against Rationalism. First post of four is here: http://www.lmschairman.org/2016/08/was-religion-feminised-in-19th-century.html

  36. @ novaseeker

    Same account, different IP. The Spam filter likely focused on the IP address.

  37. All of the ‘critique’ is aimed at the ‘commenters’ acting ‘un-Christian’

    The reason for this is because anything contrary to what the Feminine Imperative has made of Christianity sounds “unchristian” to them.

  38. Michael Kozaki

    I have a serious question. I’m not being theoretical, smart-ass, or trying to insult or trigger anyone so please take my question in good faith.

    Q: Why do y’all get all riled at IB? Menopausal, low IQ boomer females evoke real sympathy in me. Makes me sad. My very last instinct is to attack. I’m not trying to argue here, I merely want to know.

    Rollo, The culture eventually informs the faith, why we have so many sub-sects in many religions, not just Christianity.

    And those sects die out over time. But the papacy and RCC are the oldest institutions in the history of humanity, and still growing. Didn’t get that way by letting any particular world culture “inform” them.

    Over the next several hundred years RC will probably start to die out in the liberal West. This started in the Reformation; when RC moved into the Americas. Now it’s Asia and Africa.

    But if you think there will be female clergy in the RCC, you are watching too much CNN. The pope is just trolling. He even lacks the authority. The last pope to call for this level of “discussion”? Birth control in the 1960s. Yawn.

  39. But if you think there will be female clergy in the RCC, you are watching too much CNN.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/world/pope-women-deacons/index.html

  40. Pope Francis said the Vatican should study the possibility of ordaining women as deacons, answering a call that women, particularly in the United States, have been asking the church to address for decades.

  41. And,…

    “While WOC celebrates this step from the Vatican,” the conference continued, “until women are included in all decision-making structures and as priests and bishops of the church, equality remains painfully denied.”

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