Are Women Attracted to Evil?

[This is part 1 of a two part series, with the second post, The Righteous Alpha, hopefully coming tomorrow out now.]

Since I have taken the “Red Pill” I have seen more than a few manospherians make the argument that women are actively attracted to evil. As this seems to be a theme that bubbles to the surface every so often in these parts, I thought I should address it briefly.

The Dark Triad

It seems that the most common support for the idea of women being attracted to evil lies in the attractiveness of the Dark Triad. For those unfamiliar with it, the Dark Triad is a set of three traits, which are: Narcissism, Machiavellianism and Psychopathy. Here is how wikipedia describes them:

Looking at each of them, it is easy to see how they are amoral at best, and outright inclined towards evil at worst. The whole package together seems to be custom made for conducting evil.

Roissy, who often preaches the importance of extreme confidence, is one of those who especially likes to beat the drum of the Dark Triad traits. The reason is simple: they work. Many women do seem to be attracted to men who display these characteristics.

Of course, plenty of “Bad Boys” are able to attract women without resorting to the full measure of the Dark Triad. But when you peel away the layers you start to see some similarities between their methods and the practitioners of the Dark Triad.

Back to the Basics

To understand why the Dark Triad traits and Bad Boys attract women, it helps to understand the basic attributes that determine male attractiveness to women. I’ve detailed them before in my LAMPS theory, which states that there are five principle attributes which women look for in men to determine attractiveness: Looks, Athleticism, Money, Power, and Status. A truncated explanation of each of them follows:

Looks- This includes physical attractiveness, such as facial symmetry and strong masculine features in a man’s face.

Athleticism– Here we have the overall physical attributes of a man. His strength, muscle tone, endurance, dexterity and general athletic ability.

Power– This subcategory is a short-hand for Masculine Power, or Masculinity. Aspects of a man’s personality such as confidence, assertiveness, self-mastery, dominance, a commanding presence, poise and posture would fall under the Power sub-category.

Money– This sub-category includes a measurement of both the amount of resources that a man can call upon in the present, as well as what he might be able to make or create in the future.

Status– This sub-category includes the social position of the man and is principally based on where he is on the social ladder. Any authority that a man can exercise in the community based on his position would fall under Status.

In terms of importance, from greatest to least, they are: Power, Status, Athleticism, Looks, Money.

Turning the Power On

Look back at the descriptions of those Dark Triad traits, and then look at the Power attribute again. Notice anything? The Dark Triad is all about Power. Narcissism is about confidence taken to its extreme. Machiavellianism features assertiveness and the exercise of Will unbound by social chains. Psychopathy encompasses dominance and a commanding, to the point of frightening, presence.  A man who exercises the Dark Triad is a man who screams Masculine Power to any woman who catches sight of him. This is because the Dark Triad traits don’t hold back, they doesn’t restrain themselves, they represent an exercise of Power that is breathtaking in its forthrightness.

Remember, attraction is amoral. It is based on set biological cues which we have little to no control over, whether we are men or women. Is the exercise of the Dark Triad evil? Probably. Does it attract most women? Undoubtedly. But it isn’t the evil of the Dark Triad that attracts women. Rather, it is the fact that it gives off signals which women interpret to mean an abundance of Masculine Power. Women don’t know why they are attracted to it, there is no conscious choice involved. Their subconscious can only discern that a man with the Dark Triad traits is confident, assertive and dominant to a point to overshadows nearly everyone else. This is translated to mean that he must be the Alpha male of the group, otherwise he couldn’t/wouldn’t act in a such a way. And that trips all of the necessary triggers in a woman’s mind to make him seem attractive to her.

For “Bad Boys”, similar dynamics are at play. A Bad Boy is by definition someone who breaks the rules, who stands alone. Again, this screams confidence, assertiveness and all of the other aspects of Power. In a healthy society men who show these traits but who are actually dangerous (as Bad Boys are) would be weeded out. They would be killed, imprisoned (permanently) or exiled. Unhappily, we don’t live in a healthy society. And even more unfortunately, the female subconscious doesn’t realize this either. So women see men who demonstrate traits that would otherwise indicate suitability as mates, and fall for them accordingly.

Black and White

It is not evil that attracts women, it is the fruit of powerful, unrestrained evil: Dominance, Confidence, Assertiveness, Mastery. These are all intoxicating to the female mind; they ensnare the senses and reason. Do women fall for weak, sniveling cretins? Of course not. They are drawn to strength, to Power. “Weak evil” is no more attractive than “weak good.” The reason why so many women are drawn to evil is because it is so much more common to find “strong evil” than “strong good” in the present age. Women cannot help but be drawn to strength, no more than the moth can resist the flame.

Is this a flaw in our species? Of that, there can be no doubt. But on the other hand, it is a flaw that can be controlled for, assuming society has the Will to do so. Sadly, ours doesn’t. In the immortal words of Spaceballs:

Good is Dumb.

In conclusion…

When it comes to attraction, there is no Good. There is No Evil. There is only Power.

Update: Apparently this post was linked to by a feminist blog. I allowed the pingback, but I suggest caution for anyone who follows the link

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94 responses to “Are Women Attracted to Evil?

  1. “When it comes to attraction, there is no Good. There is No Evil. There is only Power.”

    I disagree, but I operate on a different perspective for temptation and attraction. The hard part of the distinction is that Power, does indeed, lie at the heart of both.

    The dark triad at it’s finest is pure temptation to women. It is everything that they desire wrapped in poisonous packaging.

    LAMPS, or one could say the beatitudes as they were originally written instead of how they’re understood today, are pure attraction. They are the hard choice you know is good for you.

    I view women that succumb to dark triad the same I view gluttons. Yes, your body can obviously ‘live’ off of McDonalds, sweets, and soda; but it’s a bloated, putrid thing. In much the same way, the soul can ‘live’ off of a non-stop gorging on men with Dark Triad traits; but it will wreck havoc upon a woman’s body and soul.

    But a family can instill discipline, patience, and chastity upon women. In much the same way a woman who takes the time to home cook healthy meals and stay fit is physically attractive – having the will power to turn down easy solutions of eating out, peer pressure to eat poorly, etc. She can also turn down temptations to sex in much the same way she turns down temptations to food. This leaves room for attraction to be planted and grow, in the same way that the self discipline of a good diet allows physical beauty to grow.

  2. Leap, after reading your comment and re-reading my post, I realize that I was applying a non-theological take on attraction. Essentially, an evo-psych approach. Since I am not instantly dismissive of evolution as some Christians, I often utilize a lot of evo-psych for my theories. Of course, I’ve written some biblical grounded explanations for attraction as well.

    I think the reason why I’m comfortable with it also lies in the fact that there is no corresponding set of “good” attractive traits. If the Dark Triad is evil, it has no counterpart that is attractive that is also good, because LAMPS is inherently neutral/amoral.

  3. “If the Dark Triad is evil, it has no counterpart that is attractive that is also good, because LAMPS is inherently neutral/amoral.”

    You don’t think the beatitudes do that? Interesting….

  4. Bryce Laliberte

    “There is no good and evil, only power, and those too weak to seek it.”

    You just seemed to be channeling some Voldemort.

  5. Sis

    i would disagree and say both the evil and the power are attractive. Sin is always attractive. 🙂 but we are not powerless to say no.

    also, in the way of a good power counterpoint, a man who talks about Christ is elixir to a Christian woman….immediately builds safety and trust, and attraction, and power.

    You know you’ve got the real deal if he’s uncompromising and gentle. Gentleness and power together in a man is very rare.

  6. @ Bryce

    I was wondering if someone would catch on…

  7. also, in the way of a good power counterpoint, a man who talks about Christ is elixir to a Christian woman….immediately builds safety and trust, and attraction, and power.

    I must disagree Sis. There are plenty of men out there who talk about Christ all the time, and women aren’t attracted to them in the slightest. Trust me, I’m speaking from experience here. Others will back me up on this.

  8. @ Leap

    Not sure what you mean by the beatitudes “doing that”. Do you mean causing attraction? Because most of them don’t fall into any of those categories. And meekness, humility, gentleness (less so), those can actually be unattractive. In fact, I dare say they are unattractive.

  9. Sis

    Pfff, crazy girls

  10. I’m not sure if I would say that Sin is attractive so much as tempting. When I’m talking about attraction here, I’m talking sexual attraction. I want to say it is purely biological, but part of me wonders now…

    To buttress my point, think of some of the Protestant religious leaders out there who are genuinely men of God. Many of them, from what I have heard, have to take careful steps not to be alone with female parishioners. I’m talking glass doors/walls, always having an aide present, leaving the door open, that kind of thing. They are not servants of evil (I’m assuming), and yet are still drawn to them, and tempt them nonetheless. If it was goodness that drew women in, then surely that goodness wouldn’t draw them into sinful thoughts, right? No, there are amoral forces at work here; for those preachers it is their Status and charisma which makes them attractive.

  11. theshadowedknight

    Evil is easy. Yes, women are attracted to Power. If you want women and have no use for morals, Evil is a quick way to gather up your Power. It can also be successful in the middle term, allowing you to “cheat” society. You only follow the rules that suit your ends, and the means are of no concern. This allows you the freedom Donal mentioned, and your Power can outstrip those who keep it in check.

    The counter to this is that Good allows for much more cooperation among its followers. Their individual Power may not be as high, but together they can overcome the solitary Power of Evil. They tend to be more stable, as they can trust each other. The society created by Good endures much longer than Evil. I would say that the Light Triad would be similar to the Dark but focused more outward. Righteousness, Leadership, and Courage, which are creative forces, not destructive.

    The Shadowed Knight

  12. jack

    Women are not able to distinguish between the positive or negative.

    Only the absolute value. 8 and |-8| are the same to them, and both > 2

    Power attracts them like catnip. They prefer good power, but will accept bad power as a second choice.

    Slaves to the tingle (girl-boner). Sometimes I think God created women solely as a means of torturing the soul of man.

  13. Cadders

    I agree with your analysis here (and as an aside I have found the LAMPS theory to be very effective in ‘breaking through’ to blue pill men) but I have an issue with the statement that women’s attraction to the dark triad states is a flaw in our species.

    It is certainly flaw in advanced societies. But this female attraction to ‘evil’ is, I believe, an evolutionary instinct of last resort. In times past when the human race was marginal, when our very survival as a species was in the balance, it made evolutionary sense for women to breed with narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic men. In a world of small tribes, these men might not be best at building a civilization but they were the best for defeating the threats the tribe faced. As I have mentioned elsewhere, how many times in the ancient past has this female instinct saved the human race from extinction?

    Healthy societies take steps to control this instinct in women and by co-opting or restricting these traits in men. For left unconstrained the Dark Triad attraction will corrode society – which is what we are seeing now. But we cannot remove women’s attraction to the Dark Triad. Nor should we – there may be times in the future when once again the human race may need to invoke the instinct of last resort and breed a few generations of ‘evil’ men simply to survive.

  14. I’m beginning to agree with the idea that other than sex and raising kids…there really is nothing in common between man and women.

    Men know the line between good and evil for the most part…women just want what their hearts want.

  15. theshadowedknight

    Earl, I saw a joke on twitter the other day. You might enjoy it.

    “Got said to man that he would fill all the corners of the world with beautiful, pleasant, devout women.
    And then he laughed, and laughed, and laughed, and made the world round.”

    The Shadowed Knight

  16. theshadowedknight

    Although, Earl, I disagree with your take on it.

    Men can be trained to a moral standard, and hold to it. They know what is expected to be wrong and be right, and understand it. That standard is decided by society, but it will hold.

    Women are inherently amoral, and–absent an outside influence–will always return to that state. Morality must be imposed upon them.

    The Shadowed Knight

  17. The naive who think women are attracted to the Dark Triad don’t what it is in real life. I was raised with some of these guys – murderers, rapists, serial killers. Women who are attracted to these men suffer from a disorder known as Hybristophilia. I know a woman who has it and she hates herself.

  18. earl

    Yeah I quit expecting them to be virtuous after the red pill…I subtlety impose it on them.

    And the best answer if you ever happen to hear a woman spout “Where have all the good men gone?” Tell her…that’s your problem, you figure it out.

  19. I had a really splendid silly time yday re-reading a Princess of Mars, which … pretty much exemplifies what you’ve just said.

  20. Ton

    Yep Donal you nailed it on why those things trigger the tingles. They scream “will expand resources and see kin folk through the worst of bad times”.

    Women are biologically programmed to be attracted to men who could keep them safe in wild, chaotic times. Men who posses the dark triad traits and a disregard for the law speaks to him being willing to do what it takes, no matter what. That’s what gets them wet, power and the willingness to exercise that power.

    That narcissistic personality who lacks empathy and has an ego is a man who values himself and will not tolerate being pushed around. He’ll act, overtly or covertly but he’ll act. Now take that thinking and apply it to a thrill seeking, remorseless Machiavellian type world view and you have a man that will expand his resources and see his kin through the worst of bad times.

    The Bible is full of men who would be called immoral at this time. Hard men who did as they saw fit and whom God blessed. I think there is a lot more moral leeway then folks think. King David did some heavy shit, and only angered God when he killed one of his own and took his woman. Abraham rallied up his boys and took his kin folk back at sword point. These are men who honored God, and took no shit. The problem many seem to be having is seeing power, acting on it and with it as immoral an then get cranky because it’s gives chicks the tingles.

    Yea it’s out dated at this time but it is what it is.

  21. Ton

    Ps, it might be out dated for the here and now, but it’s likely to be useful again before long

  22. “i would disagree and say both the evil and the power are attractive. Sin is always attractive. 🙂 but we are not powerless to say no.
    also, in the way of a good power counterpoint, a man who talks about Christ is elixir to a Christian woman….immediately builds safety and trust, and attraction, and power.
    You know you’ve got the real deal if he’s uncompromising and gentle. Gentleness and power together in a man is very rare.”

    I agree with Sis’s whole comment.

  23. earl

    If you want to see where every masculine man had a failing with the stories in the Old Testiment and got punished by God…it was when women got involved and he followed her. I think Ton is right that men get a little more leeway if they are following God.

    Meanwhile what did Jesus do…followed the will of his Father. He followed a man and did great things.

    What did the apostles and Paul do…followed Christ. Followed a man and did great things.

  24. Redpillnewby

    ““i would disagree and say both the evil and the power are attractive. Sin is always attractive. but we are not powerless to say no.
    also, in the way of a good power counterpoint, a man who talks about Christ is elixir to a Christian woman….immediately builds safety and trust, and attraction, and power.
    You know you’ve got the real deal if he’s uncompromising and gentle. Gentleness and power together in a man is very rare.”

    I agree with Sis’s whole comment.”

    When women say they are attracted to gentleness and power together in the same man, I think they are lying to themselves a bit.

    Women are attracted to men who have and use power and authority without restraint against others, who won’t take any shit from others, controlling people and outcomes to their end. But, those women still want to be safe and treated well themselves, and hope to maintain a measure of control over those powerful men, so they say they want gentleness also (but only when it is directed at them). Gentleness directed towards everyone in general is not attractive to women.
    It might allow them to identify men who will be gentle to them, or enable them to check-off their religious “Is he kind?/Can I control him?” checkbox, but that doesn’t mean it is attractive. Women pursue men who have high status and charisma. Gentleness might be part of the package that comes with high status and charisma, but that isn’t why women pursue men.

  25. jack

    In other words, women want a total badass that only they have the ability to control.

  26. Retrenched

    I think there’s a very simple explanation for why evil men, bullies, thugs and sociopaths tend to do so well with women:

    When being a man is outlawed – which is basically has been in the modern west – then the outlaws will be the only real men.

    Young men in the west today are emasculated from kindergarten on, when they are doped up on Ritalin by our education system and told to sit still and basically act like girls for 13 years — 17 years if you count college. Sure, there are a few rich boys and jocks who are given license to do as they please, but most young men must conform to these feminine standards of conduct if they want to get good grades and not get suspended.

    As Fred Reed put it, “Once, boys were boys and girls were girls. Now all must be girls, or nearly so.”

    SO. When all of your “good men” are basically raised to be women with penises…. well, who does that leave for women who want a real, masculine man?

    There’s a reason why 75% of British converts to Islam are women, after all…

  27. theshadowedknight

    Bob Wallace, these women are not disordered. They are functioning exactly as intended. This is how women work. They do not care if the Power is a man who looks out for himself and cares little for the plight of others, or a man who fights those who would do him wrong. In fact, given the direction of society, the men who will be fighting for justice and morality will be attracting women to them.

    A thug who is a gang member and has killed a few people, with base morals and a tendency to resort to violence as a way to resolve conflicts is attractive to women. A man who is fighting the government because they have become a gargantuan maw and has fought in battle is similarly attractive. Stop trying to rebuild the mound. This is the way women are, for good or evil.

    The Shadowed Knight

  28. Deep Strength

    Women were created by God with the facet of hypergamy before the fall. Therefore, we cannot say it is a mistake that they are attracted to male Power.

    However, after the original sin human nature is prone to depravity. And there are different degrees of depravity.

    Thus, it is the tendency of humans to exhibit “power” negatively because we are corrupted by sin. And like Jack said women only see the absolute value of the the “power” which is attractive to them (on a -10 to 0 to 10 scale).

    Jesus was a man who exhibited the ultimate in male “power” and he had many male and female followers, who were willing to die for him in the end.

    This leads us the conclusion that women are not attracted to “evil”; they are attracted to “power” which can be used for good or evil. However, in today’s depraved society it is usually used for evil.

    On a -10 to 0 to 10 scale of masculine Power:

    ~ Feminism pushes males towards 0 from both sides of the – and +.
    ~ PUAs push males towards -10.
    ~ Feminized Churchianity pushes males on the + side towards 0.
    ~ Masculinity as in the Bible should push men of God towards +10.
    ~ MGTOWs take themselves off of the scale.

  29. Donal – I think you are very right in what you say about attraction. The most important thing being it’s moral neutrality. I bring this to people all the time. There are all sorts of ways to handle that truth – and I’m not so sure there is one right way. But we HAVE to know that truth.

    Also important to note, just because there is attraction doesn’t mean there has to be action. We have choice on what we DO with attraction, but not whether or not we are instantly attracted. At least as I see it.

  30. @ Deep Strength

    Hypergamy is different than the attraction vectors themselves. I don’t think hypergamy is wrong, in fact it has its positive aspects… when it is controlled. But it, like other aspects of female sexuality, need to be curtailed for a stable society to exist (of course, the same applies to male sexuality).

    I like your analysis at the end. Jack’s “absolute value” analogy was also useful.

  31. @ Justin

    Yes, we all have a choice whether to act on attraction or not. God gave us agency (perhaps a better descriptor than “free will”), and we can use that for good or evil.

    But whether we are attracted to someone or not is not something we have control over. That immodest “8” who is a harlot that just walked by? I’m attracted to her, even though she is the opposite of what I am looking for in a woman. I chose not to let that attraction control me. This is something that both men and women can do. Yes, even women, if they have been raised right, can see past attractive men to understand the darkness beneath. I know some who are just like that.

  32. Deep Strength

    IMO a woman’s hypergamy is a suitable proxy for the attraction vectors because it takes into account the summative value of a man, not just Power.

    But that’s probably another discussion altogether.

    Also, “talent” needs to be added to LAMPS somewhere. Musical talent comes to mind as something that doesn’t fit directly into looks, athleticism, money, power, or status.

    And I am going to revise the MGTOWs:

    On a -10 to 0 to 10 scale of masculine Power:

    ~ Feminism pushes males towards 0 from both sides of the – and +.
    ~ PUAs push males towards -10.
    ~ Feminized Churchianity pushes males on the + side towards 0.
    ~ Masculinity as in the Bible should push men of God towards +10.
    ~ MGTOWs take themselves off of the scale, and by doing so increase their + or –

  33. Hypergamy is actually the wrong word to use to describe the female sexual strategy, because it isn’t only Status that women look at. But since everyone in the sphere uses it so do I. If you have your own thoughts, feel free to compile them and I can include them in a guest post.

    Talent falls under Power. Remember, Power is short of Masculine Power, and real talent is inherently Masculine.

  34. Deep Strength

    Yes, the traditional meaning of hypergamy is marrying up (for status).

    As the ‘sphere uses it it means all encompassing hypergamy since most women don’t marry just for status now (just the rich man trophy wives).

  35. Ton

    Leeway isn’t the right word. People are soft and interpret their softness into God’s word. They don’t want to fight over their honor so God doesn’t want them to. Despite most of the big names being stone cold killers when required and being honored was a big deal.

    Folks are soft and want to call the cops, where God was ok with Abraham fixing shit on his own, with his own force.

    Etc etc etc.

  36. jack

    If you can’t make a woman love you, you could always make her hate you.
    But never make her pity you. Many women are in relationships with men that at first they could not stand.

  37. Jack, I’ve heard it said that the opposite of love isn’t hate, its indifference. If a woman hates you, then she is passionate about you. I could see how someone could turn that passion to their advantage.

  38. @Redpillnewby:
    Unrestrained manhood is barbaric; we see the downfall with unrestrained womanhood (you can thank the slut culture and feminism). It is not a matter of control, it is a matter of discipline and discipline is an attractive trait.
    A man who cannot balance strength and gentleness is dangerous and probably abusive. It is attractive when a man is not only aware of his strength, but is also in control of it.

  39. jack

    The core disconnect in the West is that base female impulses are applauded and and base male impulses are demonized.

    Tingle = pure, holy, true love. Boner = dirty, predatory, base lust.

  40. Ton

    Discipline is not a universally attractive trait. If so, many betas wouldn’t have the problems they have. Discipline might be a nice to have trait but doesn’t spark the interest of women in general.

  41. I’ve always wondered about the Galahad archtype. Lots and lots of women are deeply attracted to cops and other protective “sheepdog” types. Once again, it seems to be the capacity for physical violence rather than the direction that attracts them.

    This is as it should be.

    A little as four generations ago, when the State was not so all-pervasive, the need for controlled violence to protect the family and the the community was more necessary than it is today, but four generations isn’t enough time to evolve attraction for chattering arugula-grazing, conflict-managing little chipmunks over against more primal, direct displays of masculine power.

    Good women prefer sheepdogs, but will chose a wolf over a sheep.

  42. I realize that I was applying a non-theological take on attraction. Essentially, an evo-psych approach. Since I am not instantly dismissive of evolution as some Christians, I often utilize a lot of evo-psych for my theories. Of course, I’ve written some biblical grounded explanations for attraction as well.

    Just to be sure I understand: You have formulated a philosophy based solely on your experience and witness, and then you co-opt popular texts to buttress your philosophy?

    The idea that women are attracted to Dark Triad men for “good but misguided” reasons is nothing but more pedestalization (and dehumanization) of women.

  43. @DonalGraeme:
    “But it isn’t the evil of the Dark Triad that attracts women. Rather, it is the fact that it gives off signals which women interpret to mean an abundance of Masculine Power. Women don’t know why they are attracted to it, there is no conscious choice involved. Their subconscious can only discern that a man with the Dark Triad traits is confident, assertive and dominant to a point to overshadows nearly everyone else. This is translated to mean that he must be the Alpha male of the group, otherwise he couldn’t/wouldn’t act in a such a way. And that trips all of the necessary triggers in a woman’s mind to make him seem attractive to her.”

    This sums it up well Donal. Men that seem outside of the constraints of polite society have Power in spades on display. He appears to be confident enough to live life on his own terms. At a very base level, this guy is showing the world that he does whatever he wants, and that sends a message to a woman that he WILL have her if he wants her. Nothing polite about that, but it IS dominant. That’s what’s biologically attractive.

    Many men will visually imagine a passing woman in a sexual way. When women think about this, the closest they get to is mentally figuring out if they think he’s handsome… but even that’s not really inherently sexual.
    The ‘badboy’ type strips everything back to a sexual level almost instantaneously… that’s what women are physically responding to when they throw caution to the wind, logic to the back-burner, and generally imagine they ‘have no choice’.

    I don’t think women are actually attracted to evil at all… most of what goes on in the life of an outlaw would terrify women. It’s not the evil of what a man does that draws a woman to him. She is attracted to his dominance.
    I think it’s a chance for many women to feel out of control that is an adrenalising temptation.

    Anecdotally, my man is a good man, but he would never be considered gentle! He is powerful, and when he displays a random act of kindness I feel like a little girl patted on the head by her daddy.
    I imagine Ton saying ‘Good girl’ to any woman would have a similar effect…. to me this isn’t gentleness, but kindness from a position of strength. I can’t ask for this from my husband, it’s done on his terms and is always surprising. This delights me, and makes me want to continue to please him.
    The difference between Kindness and Gentleness is that I have no expectation of his kindness because only he’s in control of that, whereas I imagine demanding gentleness as the norm would be an easy trap to fall into.

  44. Ton

    You are a good girl Hannah. Well spoken too

    Never thought about it much until now but I rarely tell women “thank you” etc. When they please me, they are “my good girl” or “a good girl”.

  45. @ Cane

    You have formulated a philosophy based solely on your experience and witness, and then you co-opt popular texts to buttress your philosophy?

    Actually, there is probably some sort of chicken/egg thing going on, as I’m not sure how much my experiences have been affected by my knowledge of various evolutionary theories, and how much my knowledge of evolutionary theories is impacted by my experience. This LAMPS theory is a product of both.

    I will be the first to admit that it is a sloppy theory. But I never intended it to be the “be all, end all” of theories concerning what women are attracted to. I created it because no one before, to the best of my knowledge (and I have checked a bit) has tried to create a comprehensive list of what women are attracted to, and why. If anyone can create a better theory, I would hope that they would. We could all benefit from that effort.

    The idea that women are attracted to Dark Triad men for “good but misguided” reasons is nothing but more pedestalization (and dehumanization) of women.

    I wouldn’t say “good but misguided”, but rather “understandable but misguided.” There is nothing good about those traits making a man attractive. At least, not that I can think of.

    And where are you getting pedestalization and dehumanization from? I have distinguished being attracted to something, and acting on that attraction, as two completely different things. Attraction is purely biological. No conscious effort or choice at all. But acting on attraction is all about choice. A woman who is sexually attracted to a “Bad Boy” is human. A woman who acts on that attraction by sleeping with him is a sinful, foolish woman.

    Women can and do chose to act wisely. I happen to know a virtuous young Christian woman like that. She was “Gamed” a while back, and rebuffed the man after she realized what he was doing. However, she was able to realize, even as she rebuffed him, that her attraction to him was greater than ever. Women do have agency, and it is vital that they be raised properly, like she was, so that they can use it to avoid ill-intentioned men.

  46. @ asinuss

    If you haven’t read “On Killing” by David Grossman, you should. It contains a “sheepdog analogy” which I think translates well. The key thing to understand is that most people, and pretty much all women, are sheep. The wolves prey on them, and the sheepdog protect them. But the problem is that for most sheep, they can’t tell the difference between the two. And it is easy to understand why: they are both the same species, Canis Lupis.

    For women this is I think especially true. They can recognize strength instinctively, but only with proper rearing can they tell good and evil strength apart.

  47. Ton

    Ps, to put an everyday example to what Hannha is saying, chicks are not impressed with my medals, military record and what not. What gets them going is my causal everyday disregard for the law, overhead press and MMA record.

  48. Thanks for your comment Hannah.

    It’s not the evil of what a man does that draws a woman to him. She is attracted to his dominance.
    I think it’s a chance for many women to feel out of control that is an adrenalising temptation.

    I have heard it before that what really connects a woman to a man is how he makes her feel. The kinds and intensity of emotions that he brings out in a woman. Thank you for providing support for that idea.

  49. Ton

    Wouldn’t worry about it Donal, it’s more attempts to shame you into following the script. It’s what they do

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