Holy Insurrection Batman!

Joseph of Jackson, a former manosphere commentator who left the ‘sphere a few months back, has returned over at Sunshinemary’s site. In her latest post, Sunshinemary published an e-mail that he sent to her explaining some of what he has been up to. A sample:

Women talk, a LOT. It is their tool of choice for most things. And here we are, as men, using the primary tool of women to try and enact change and we wonder why we can’t get any real traction going.

[Some men] are genuinely surprised that red pill women behave this way. They believed they had found some trustworthy women and the pedestalization phase began all over again. You can see that although they understand alpha traits, and in some cases use them, they are just as prone as any man to falling back into beta thinking. The only true defense we men have against this is a culture that will not tolerate it. If it is considered the respectable thing to do to keep women quiet and in submission then that is what men will do. We don’t have that culture online.

Apparently JoJ built up a group of men that recently joined a church and began reforming the church. I am publishing in full a comment he left at SSM’s site explaining what he did, because it is an amazing story. My own series on reforming the church is put on hold for the time being, because Joseph has already exceeded it with his actions.

Okay, here goes. This actually all started at a different church. I was thrown out of my first one for teaching what I taught. I started in a small group that I had been a part of for a little over a year. I established myself as a leader in the group and slowly (dear god, so slowly) started introducing red pill concepts during our weekly bible study. I made a point to hang out with the guys during the week. We spent time together. I actively flirted with girls in front of them to let them see what was possible. Everything changed one day when I was flirting with our waitress. I asked her for her number. She said she didn’t want to. As she walked away, one of the guys (the actual leader of the small group) was picking at me by saying I had lost my edge. I told him that she actually meant “no, not right now, it’s too public”. He didn’t believe me, so we did what most guys do. We made a bet. If I got her number by the end of dinner, I got to teach about the Bible and girls at our next meeting. If I lost, I had to humiliate myself publicly by standing up in front of everyone and anouncing that all women hate me and run out like I was crying (don’t ask, one of our guys is on bi-polar medication and he thought this would be the best thing to watch ever). I had her number within 2 more passes.

That’s where it all started.

I spent several months introducing them to the concept of game and told them about the class I went to. My small group leader got onto me for placing women before God. I informed him that this helped me actually put God first as women were no longer that important. He was hooked. We were already hanging out every week so while hanging out, I started to get them to approach women. Not to have sex, but just to get past the fear. This continued for several more months. I taught them how to work your way around a room starting with the least attractive girl and working your way up. I taught them how to read social situations and how to take control of a set. I showed them how to get women to actually start chasing them and how to play the part of the bad boy without actually being a bad boy. I taught them how to wing for one another. Soon, we were doing this several nights a week. I made one condition. I would teach them, but we had to have bible study afterwards. So we did. We went from one bible study a week to 4 or 5. No one wanted to miss meeting women, so they all came for bible study. About our 4th month, something interesting happened that I had been waiting on. It happened to me and I knew it was only a matter of time before it worked for them too. They started to come out of the haze. Women weren’t some mystery anymore. We actually felt sorry for the women as we knew they couldn’t control themselves.

That’s when the events occurred when I first started posting at Mary’s blog. I wasn’t prepared for the backlash that would come. These guys were getting much more spiritually mature and the church didn’t care. I was asked to leave. They left with me. My girlfriend left with me. We started doing church at my place on Sunday’s and we started working for a local shelter during the week. Cooking food, doing laundry, cleaning floors. We also spent more time getting to know people. These guys had moved past wanting to pick up women. They had been there and done that. No kino, No sex, No dirty talk, and they were still past it. They now understood not just women, but social dynamics in a group and with individuals. We saw many people get saved because the Holy Spirit used our newfound gifts.

Then one day, another guy in the group had an idea. Let’s go and see if we can turn a church around. I was opposed to the idea at first. Finally, they sold me on it. Individually, we are good with women. As a group, we dominate any social scene we go to. It’s like 10 male lions walk into a female pack of lions. We don’t fight each other, we don’t compete with each other. We are in charge. Place Roosh in my church, one of the best PUA’s around and watch him get tooled by our group. He’s not dealing with one or two guys. He’s dealing with an entire tribe. So we decided as a group to use our skills to reclaim a church that was no longer acting on God’s Word.

The church we chose was the worst of the worst in our area. They actively let women preachers speak. They had a ceremony one week that celebrated the uniting of the nations in which they presented a staff of holly wood (witchcraft) to an indian shaman on stage. They have a women’s counsel that is the equal counterpart to the deacon’s counsel (which is their version of elders). We targeted it tactically.

Our goal was simple, dominate the social scene. Most Churchians are there for the social aspect of church and if you control that, then you control public opinion. We established ourselves in 4 small groups. We would actively team up against male members of the church who were leaders that taught false doctrines. Two man teams were assigned to this, one would be good with scripture and the other would be good at AMOGing. In a few weeks, the deacons were quelled and the women were very happy to see us taking on leadership roles. The entire atmosphere changed. The script that Satan had used to claim this church for himself had been used against him. That’s a high level overview, but it’s a good idea of what’s going on.

What Joseph of Jackson has done is to play the part of an insurgent, and start the process of taking a church over from within. I can’t wait to hear what will happen in the future, because if he is successful it provides an opportunity for many Protestants to begin reforming local churches. Being a Catholic, I can’t adopt his plan for myself, as the organization of that church and the Catholic hierarchy are quite different. But there are still plenty of lessons to be learned here. I have managed to draw a few of them out already (in no particular order):

1) Dominate the social scene- As JoJ noted, most churches today serve as social centers first, and communities of believers second. If you can control the networking behind the social structure of the church, you can influence a lot of what goes on at the church. This can be done behind the scenes, away from any scriptural or doctrinal battles that might be happening Therefore efforts to gain influence here might not elicit the same kind of resistance.

2) Group tactics work- JoJ’s comparison to a pride of male lions attacking in concert has a certain appeal to it. It is so unexpected, so outside the natural order, opponents won’t be able to easily respond.

3) Know your strengths and organize accordingly- Some men have natural charisma, others are great at memorizing and reciting scripture. By utilizing each person’s strengths in the right context, you can overcome any foe.

4) Alpha men control the Church women- Women are drawn to attractive men just as strongly as men are drawn to attractive women, and you can use that, even in church. If you have a group of powerful, confident, charismatic men, those men will be attractive to a lot of women, and be able to exert considerable influence over the same women. Women will do a lot to maintain the good graces of an Alpha male. If Alpha males start demanding that the women of the church act like they should, the women will follow.

It is possible that this will all blow up in JoJ’s face, just like before. But I rather doubt it. Given his success thus far, I suspect that Joseph has succeeded in his insurgency. Even if he and his cohort were to be kicked out, I have no doubt they would be able to take a large chunk of that church with them. Which means that the next takeover should be even easier. It sounds like even if he is successful, he will be working on reforming all of the churches in his locality. The insurgency has only just begun.

In the spirit of the title of this post, I leave all of you with this:


Filed under Christianity, Churchianity, Feminism, Red Pill, Sunshine Mary, The Church

8 responses to “Holy Insurrection Batman!

  1. Nice. It’s the ability to impact real change that have me searching for a tribe of men that could do this.

    Please keep us posted on any updates. I love SSM’s comment threads, but rarely have the time to keep up with them.

  2. Now think what a charismatic youth leader could do with the young men in his youth group!

    Seriously though, although I am now too old to be one of the young men taking over, this looks like a blue-print for reclaiming churches from the heretics and wimps. The big question is how is this scalable so that the Christians can take back whole denominations. I’m not asking this to try to put a fire out, but to work out how we can make the fire spread. If you wonder where I’m coming from, take a look at what I say about my own local fellowship. All of our Bible studies are mixed sex, which makes what JoJ has done that little bit more difficult, and we have very few older teens and twenties age demographic.

    I wonder whether it would be of use to set up a private wordpress site to deal with these questions in more detail.

  3. Peregrine John

    Same as the church itself spread, Fred: One group at a time.
    I wish JoJ would write some specifics of how he began to work the concepts into his group at first. I’m good with presenting new concepts and tying things together, but getting that first ice broken, that first awakening to reality and acceptance of it, is the challenge.

  4. thehap

    So, Donal, were you saying you were in contact with JoJ or Karamazov, or both?

  5. JoJ. I will e-mail you his contact info.

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  7. Donal, I’d be interested in JoJ’s email too.

  8. I will get that to you as soon as I can.

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