Teaming Up

I wanted to expand a bit on a point that I made with my last post. After explaining that women have a ONE OF US mentality which is commonly known as “Team Woman”, I stated that:

Look at how quickly these Christian women were willing to set aside their ethics and their faith to help another woman. It should be obvious to everyone by now why Paul explained that women had no place in Church leadership. That command is necessary because women will set aside wisdom, reason and faith to help ONE OF US.

One thing I should clear up is that women are not excluded in participating in the Church and church ministries. Phoebe was a deacon(ess) in the early church, and was commended for her works by Paul. But a deacon in the early church was not a leader, but rather a servant or minister for the leaders or elders of the church. The first seven deacons, among them Stephen, the first Christian martyr, were called to minister food to the hungry in order that the leaders of the church could focus on prayer and worship. But that role of leading prayer and worship was not to be filled by women:

I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, 10 but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. 12 I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man;she is to keep silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.

Here we see the Curse of Eve emerge once again. Paul explains that the reason women are not hold authority over men in the Church relates to deception, and that may well be true. But I think it goes deeper. It is my belief that women have a default setting to “Team Woman.” For an excellent example of this, see here. Something that has been emerging in this sphere of of the internet has been the idea of “Team Her Man.” This involves a woman  altering her mindset so that instead of subconsciously favoring all woman, she instead subconsciously favors her man (ideally her husband). My suspicion is that “Team Her Man” is also a possible setting for a woman who is attracted to a man and respects him. But I think that those are the only settings for women. Which means that they are either “Team Woman” or “Team Her Man.”

It isn’t necessarily a bad thing that they have these “settings.” A woman who favors Team Her Man is an advocate for her man, and fulfilling her role as helpmate to her husband. Even women favoring Team Woman can be advocates for the cause of women, and make sure that male leadership doesn’t forget the women of the Church.

What is a problem in the setting of the Church is if a woman were to be given power and authority over men. If that were to happen she would either sub-consciously favor women (Team Woman) or she would favor her man (Team Her Man) when she exercised her authority. This will only serve to divide the Church, by either promoting women at the expense of men (which is happening now in Churchianity), or by favoring the husbands of women with power. Now, I think that this inclination by women is not borne of evil intent. As I indicated before, its sub-conscious. Women do it without thinking.  They cannot maintain an attitude of favoring the whole community of believers for long before they start favoring one of those teams.  My previous post highlighted an excellent example of Christian women sub-consciously favoring another woman, at the expense of unknown, nameless men. Once they were confronted with their wrongdoing, they apologized and repented. But only after they were confronted with their actions.

In the setting of the Church, it doesn’t make sense, nor is it efficient or wise, for women to be given authority over men when it would be necessary for men to constantly scrutinize their decision to ensure they don’t favor women at the expense of men, or favor her man. Women can serve the Church. But they can’t be trusted with power over men, as they will invariably begin to wield it for their team. It is this natural tendency of women which makes them unsuited to hold authority in the Church.



Filed under Christianity, Feminism, Moral Agency, The Church

15 responses to “Teaming Up

  1. Women support the team their subconscious tells them will better provide for her children. In current society, this is team woman by default. I don’t think i’ve seen a ‘team my man’ under 30 years old AND without children. Older with kids is almost a requirement for team my man.

  2. Hannah

    Great post thanks. At church today we read 1 Timothy 5. In it there is this reason why women should never be in authority over men:

    “I charge you before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that you observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.”

    I’m not sure that any woman could operate without showing partiality – no matter her personality. It’s hard-wired in the female make up.
    The fact that in the Bible we women are instructed NOT to be in authority is clearly shown in your post. Partiality is perhaps one of reasons why.

    I was raised to go for “Team Man” by my father’s example. I learnt at an early age that I was outranked due to the fact I was born female. Once accepted, it made logical sense to happily support the winning side.
    This has kept me at odds with the world my entire life.

    When I was a child I remember my mother telling us children about friends whose parents were getting a divorce. After explaining the concept, Mum said how said how sad and lonely Dad would be without all of us if that happened to them.
    My poor mother, I piped up and said “Dad wouldn’t be lonely because I would definitely choose to live with him!”
    (I do love Mum but yeah – chose Dad every time)

    I enjoy reading your thoughts – keep up the good work!
    Being in this area of the woods makes me feel almost normal 🙂

  3. Deep Strength

    Basically, women are followers. They will default to “the team” from which they will derive the most benefit. Unfortunately, in the era of feminism that’s team women.

    I don’t think there are necessarily 2 teams — team women and team her husband. I do think there are potential for more teams. For example, in very reserved communities with strong ties such as the Amish I would expect that they would default trust to each other rather than any outsiders. LDS was probably like that as well up until a couple decades ago, but they’re experiencing the pervasiveness of feminism now as well.

  4. Perhaps a more accurate way of explaining “Team Her Man” would be as “Team Family”, as the Amish, and a few other groups, treat their communities as a large family. That idea would also be consistent with the idea of an unmarried young woman supporting her father, although in that case it would still be “Team Her Man”, just the man is her father and not husband.

  5. theshadowedknight

    I am writing an essay on moral agency in women and this is one of the important points. Women are supposed to act like this. This is why men as leaders is so important and mentioned again and again. Marriages are partnerships with both sexes complementing each other. It does not work if both bring their own ideas, so women have a bleeding effect where they absorb the most dominant morality. It allows them to transition from the herd to a mate, or solitude, and in between. This way, they always have an in with the most powerful person or people.

    I need some advice and critique once the essay is complete, so would you like a look at the first draft? Email me if you want it.

    The Shadowed Knight

  6. Ok, I will do just that. Check your e-mail.

  7. Deep Strength

    Yeah. To women relationships and the emotional connections are everything. So they need to have that anchor whether it is a husband, family, community, or unfortunately “team women.”

  8. Hannah, I would be willing to bet that, while your words to your mother may have stung a bit, that at the same time she was proud to hear it. It’s part of supporting the winning side. 😉

  9. Visit my Domain and you shall see one.

  10. Well… in a few months that “without children” part wont’ be applicable to Lady Sigyn.

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  12. I remember an example of this from several years ago outside the church context. I was driving with a group of colleagues back to the office from an outside business lunch. We were car pooling, and there were two women in the car, me and another guy. We stopped at an intersection and there was a guy there panhandling. There was some discussion about this inter car, and one of the women said “I might give money if it were a woman..”, and the other woman quickly agreed. This just seemed obviously right and fair and good — so obvious that it was thorourghly unremarkably said and quite naturally as well.

    This is just a facet of who women are. They tend to stick up for each other like a herd. It also cuts the other way, in that tey tend to feel a considerable pressure to conform to the herd as well. It’s a copletely different social universe from that of men, and I think they go through the world and experience it very differently from how men do, generally.

  13. That is perhaps the primary lesson to be learned from SSM’s latest post, and I tend to agree. This is something all men must learn, that women do not think like them. Unfortunately, it is also a central premise of feminism that we do think alike, and that paradigm is still dominant. But the times, they are a changing.

  14. It is definitely challenging to adopt that mindset, because it goes against everything our culture currently teaches about men and women being alike other than in genitalia, and everything else being a social construct.

    Getting past that mindset to understand that this is not the case, and that we actually think an experience the world in fundamentally different ways is challenging but quite revealing in a positive way once one makes that transition.

  15. Agreed. Once I am finished catching up with the comments at SSM’s blog I will throw my 2 cents in.

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