Today is Father’s Day… and you know what that means…

… it means “Man Up” sermons from “Churchian” pastors, who rather than use the day to thank fathers for their tireless, work instead use it to further bludgeon men with responsibilities that come without rights. Fortunately, not all churches practice this abhorrent behavior. This post is a place for commentators to tell us their horror stories from today. Or for them to talk about how their pastor or priest gave a positive message and didn’t actively undermine men and fathers on a day that is supposedly set aside for them.

Have at thee!

 

Update 1: While the fact that it was Father’s Day did merit some mention, it was not the focal point of today’s homily. In fact, besides mentioning it at the end and beginning of the service, Father’s Day was brought up only once, in the context of the love of a father being irreplaceable. Since the actual homily was a good one, I have to approve. The Church shouldn’t address the matter of being a mother or a father because the rest of society decided that “today is the day.” Instead, it should be scripture which drives when and how the message is delivered.

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21 responses to “Today is Father’s Day… and you know what that means…

  1. Deep Strength

    1. In the bulletin where there is usually an encouraging story from the mission field there was instead 10 tips on how men can better communicate with their wives including sharing feelings, opening up, taking her out on dates on demand, etc.

    2. At the initial part of the sermon, the head pastor stated that this sermon is not just for the the father and wife, and single fathers….. but ALSO for the single mothers who are acting as fathers. WTF?

    3. The sermon itself was actually pretty decent but more on the Father’s love and not actually on the man up portion. Of course, the corresponding mother’s day sermon was a circlejerk for women including giving out flowers at the end.

    I can’t tell whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, given that there wasn’t really anything man-up wise which was nice. But compared to the limited amount of “love” that fathers can give their families compared to the Father’s love for us… well, you get the picture.

  2. There was a “fathers day” message on my church’s sign – about the Heaven’ly Father’s love for His children. The sermon was on the story of David and Bathsheba, so it’s was straight-up scripture, no “manning up” demands here!

  3. A leader of my own church just AMOG’d every man in my congregation. Wow.

    I attend a singles’ congregation, and the first talk started off with “a story of two young women around the time of WWII.” One married a Christian, the other married a non-Christian. They lived parallel lives as next-door neighbors, and later, coincidentally, as neighbors on the same street. The children of one family grew up and became good citizens, while the children of the other family had lots of problems, etc. Then…surprise! It was the non-Christian’s family that turned out great, as he converted some years into the marriage!

    The sad part is that until the twist, I was sitting forward in my seat, thinking, “Holy crap, is he really going to talk up the men? He’s really doing it! Wow!”

    But instead, it was a hamster-food anecdote. He might as well have said “Sisters, you know these guys in pews? They’re losers. If you marry them, they’ll fall away (like the guy in the story) and your children won’t graduate from college!

    I’m writing this from the foyer, because I walked out.

  4. Perfect. As if the recent tradition of Christian women marrying non-Christian man, vainly hoping that they convert them, hasn’t gained enough traction. Good on you for walking out.

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  6. Amos

    Despite the pastor at my congregation being a pretty manly man, he still couldn’t help but point out things that men were doing wrong, although that was a relatively short section in the sermon. And on Father’s day.

    Could you imagine if on Mother’s day the pastor berated women for making God-awful sandwiches? Not only would the women burst into tears of rage, but the men would throw themselves onto the front lines, ready to white-knight it. “I’ll jump into traffic for you, my dears!”

    I really doubt it was done consciously, since he did make sure to note the absolute importance of Father’s in society, and he did make mention of the sacrifices they make and of contemporary culture’s tendency to neglect this period of time. He also had a wonderful parting speech at the end.

    In other words, the female imperative was still present, but it was about as muted as it gets these days.

  7. Wow, that’s nasty. Makes you wonder what his motive was. Did he think he was inspiring the men to be better men? Or was he just getting off on sharing some man-bashing with the women in the congregation?

    In my church, the feast day was the fourth Sunday after Pentecost, not Father’s Day; so our sermon was on today’s gospel (imagine that!) which was the one where Jesus called Simon Peter and his brothers and they dropped their nets to follow him. That led into having faith and answering God’s call, of course, which also segued into how we need to pray and take action on behalf of our religious freedoms which are being attacked in this country.

  8. RPSR

    This was my second Father’s Day since taking the red pill.

    We had a visiting bishop from our sister parish in another continent so his homily was about progress the other parish has made in projects, etc. He opened his remarks with a reference to Father’s Day that went something like this:

    “Happy Father’s day. You know in my country when someone says ‘Happy Father’s day’ we always answer ‘happy Mother’s Day’, because without our mother’s love none of us would be here. So, “Happy Mother’s day!”

    That was it. I was stunned. Father’s day, in essence became Mother’s day.

    To my pastor’s credit at the end of the Mass he had a special blessing for the fathers and part of the prayer was that we would give father’s the respect that they deserve.

  9. jaybeespancakes

    The sermon was a continued exposition of one of Paul’s letters about being ready for the end times; the day passed without much commentary on Father’s Day, because the other item brought before the congregation took some time – the newest elder asked us to pray for the repentance of an unrepentant woman who had abandoned her husband and children and was preparing to go E/P/L. This was the last step before excommunication and shunning.

    Note that, for Mother’s day, although the women’s ministry passed out flowers to every woman present, the exegesis was on passages in OT and NT that the proper raising and disciplining of children reflects on the mother most heavily.

    This particular church grows by almost 50 a year, is at about 500 now, has a 50/50 sex ratio, and took me years to find. Last week, the pastor inveighed against secular attacks on male headship. Still, there was a fight on the men’s conference committee about trying to make it a family conference; one must always be vigilant as every path away from true North is down hill.

  10. Lyn87

    I posted this on “Unmasking Feminism” and it seems to fit here, so I’m just going to cut-&-paste it. BLUF: the sermon today was GREAT. It wasn’t a “Father’s Day” sermon at all – we don’t do “Hallmark Holidays.” It was, to the contrary, a VERY serious challenge to women:
    ________________________________________

    My pastor did his doctoral dissertation on Titus, and he’s been preaching on it – literally word-by-word – for about a year now. We are in the first part of Chapter 2. Like I said: word-by-word. Fascinating stuff. Last week he started the portion where Paul tells Titus about the proper conduct of young Christian women. Here’s the relevant passage:

    …teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. – Titus 2: 4-5.

    I was out of town last week, but my wife told me that he tackled “sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, [To be] discreet.” The gist of it is that these things have to be learned – that even something as basic as wives loving their husbands and mothers loving their children is not a “given” – not something that can be assumed even for Christian women. If they were automatic there would be no need to teach them. He taught that loving their husbands and their children was not just an emotional state – that the emotions of women are subject to change and are not to be used to guide their actions. Good for him.

    This week he talked about “chaste, keepers at home.” In the “chaste” part he absolutely HAMMERED on the power of female sexuality and how young women were obligated to refrain from using their sexuality for personal gain, or attention, or, frankly, anything outside of marriage. He told them that misusing their sexual power might get them attention, but only modesty/chastity would ever earn them respect/admiration. He even came right out and told them to “cover up your breasts,” and not wear short skirts. He was VERY clear that a woman’s sexuality could only be legitimately expressed within marriage – and only for her husband.

    Then he got to “workers at home” (or “keepers at home” depending on the translation). He freely admitted that it was counter to our culture, and that it didn’t matter that it was counter to our culture. It was a universal command, and women had no right to ignore it. He further specified that “workers at home” implies actual work, and not just sitting on the couch watching TV or reading romance novels. He further specified that it did not preclude making money, as evidenced by the woman in Proverbs 31 who brought money into the household with her business dealings. He finished that portion of the sermon with this:

    Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? – Isaiah 29:16

    … and followed with the admonition that you do not have to like all that God commands – you just have to do it… and no picking and choosing.

    He did not give men a pass when he discussed the verses that pertain to them, which is right and correct. He’s not letting the women off any easier. Next week’s sermon should include “obedient to their own husbands.” I do not expect him to pull his punches next week either.

  11. gswann

    Not about church, but ripe with horror:

    Telling long stories about other people’s nightmares — for Father’s Day.

    http://selfadoration.com/telling-long-stories-about-other-peoples-nightmares-for-fathers-day/4869

    This is the way out for couples who want to try to make their marriages work.

  12. Cautiously Pessimistic

    On the local church sign: “Happy Father’s Day to our wonderful [church name] fathers and father figures!”

    No idea what the sermon was about. I’ve already left that church.

  13. Ton

    Why do y’all still go to churches that think so little of you? Things will never change until you leave and take your momney with you

  14. thehap

    CP, father figures are often a male that steps in to steer a child in the right direction because their father is not doing so for whatever reason. Hopefully, that is what they were referring to, not Boyfriend of the Hour™ or Single Mom Hero™.

    Our church had a guest speaker, who was pretty good, IMHO. He spoke about how Fathers are the leaders of their families, and how fathers have more influence in their children’s lives than friends, teachers, or even their mothers. There was a general “10 things to do to screw up as a parent”, but it was pretty straightforward and not aimed at men specifically. Overall, he championed fathers and encouraged them. Then they gave out beef sticks.

    Here’s the podcast, if anyone is interested: http://www.cascadechurch.org/dlgMediaPlayer.aspx?id=1319 (there is a download link, it can be hard to see)

  15. In his defense, I think what he was aiming for was a focus on missionary work, because he then told the story of how members of the church fellowshipped the non-Christian.

    And that’s great, and maybe I’m just a son pissed off at his prodigal brother…but it still rankles. I do suspect he purposely framed it at the beginning in such a way that it would be perceived as a warning to stick with believers, in order to get a bit of shock value from “the reveal”…but even my “too-good-to-be-true” alarm was going off.

    I talked with my bishop a few days ago about submission, and he was kindly, and agreed in principle, but was pretty useless in terms of practicality.

    It’s so frustrating. You guys know I’m LDS, so we have some extra things that you’d regard as heretical, and I can understand that. What’s frustrating to me is that some of them are very redpill, but we don’t take them seriously. If Christianity is having trouble because its members want to be accepted by the world, the LDS church is having trouble because its members want to be accepted by Churchianity (and the world too, of course).

    One thing that crossed my mind today, though…if the culture winks at women marrying outside the fold, why shouldn’t I? If God could make children of Abraham out of stones with His power, what’s to stop me from doing the same with game?

    anyway.

    /rant

  16. D

    There’s a church in town (which I don’t attend) that has a large sign up in front advertising their current series. In big letters next to a very busy road, the current sermon series during Father’s Day is “Man Up”.

  17. GS Jockey

    My pastor talked about failing fathers. He talked about “Un-fathers.” He asked, “How many of you have fathers who are absent, angry or lousy?” He talked about David and Eli in the Bible, and pointed out they were lousy fathers. Then he addressed the men in the congregation and said, “What about you? Who are YOU failing to mentor today?”

    I would have liked to see a sermon like that on Mother’s Day….. Yeah, right.

    GS Jockey

  18. One thing our church does right is not do anything weird on Father’s Day. There was a brief, non-offensive video about wishing your dad a Happy Father’s Day, and the choir was all-male rather than co-ed. That was it. The sermon had nothing to do with Father’s Day, thank goodness.

  19. anonymous_ng

    I’ve been attending an Antiocan Orthodox church and Father’s day was basically only mentioned in passing. The guest sermon by the visiting missionary was on 1 John 2:15. I didn’t go on Mother’s day, but listened to the sermon online later and there was again a passing reference to it being Mother’s day, but otherwise, no special focus.

  20. We had a [very sound] local preacher preaching who made a passing reference to the fact it was fathers’ day in his introductory remarks and that was it. His sermon was on the parallels between the story of Nathan confronting David about Bathsheba and Jesus at the Pharisee’s house when He told the parable of the two forgiven debtors, and how in both cases the message only got through to the recipient because the story in the parable captured their interest. Unfortunately we neither have a transcript nor a recording.

  21. Pendragon

    Our church is a little unusual, as the men of the church take turns leading the congregation in the various parts of the service. There are a few basic guidelines, but little coordination between the leaders beforehand.

    So it was that I jumped up in the pulpit and opened with a psalm, followed by a brief exposition on the contents as they were related to the days’ text. That it was father’s day completely escaped my mind, as it did the father who followed me, and the memory of my own father, who preached the main sermon. It wasn’t until we were making announcements at the end of the service that someone mentioned in passing they would be leaving early for some father’s day function.

    This is why I love expositional preaching — you aren’t chasing topics of the day, or hammering away at pet issues in exegetical fashion, but work though the word of God as it was written.

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